aah, okay, so after i ran loot, even though it is still showing the unofficial patch to load AFTER the others (in priority 8), I launched the skyrim launcher and checked the data files, and it is showing the USKP as the first thing. edit: thought i had a workaround, but no, it switches right back to the bad MO load order and doesnt take the LOOT load order at all. If this is a version thing, im just going to have to go back to NMM, which would be too bad, because I really like MO now that I had learned how it worked after watching all of gopher's youtube tutorials on it.