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General Skyrim Mod Troubleshooting


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Gentlemen...

 

I've just completed a complete rebuild of Skyrim on a SSD. All STEP Core/Extended installed per the guide, substituting mod compilations where the original no longer exists (Ruffled Feather, Wonder of Weather, etc.), along with a small collection of additional mods. Additionally, I trimmed down my last load order by the order of something like 25-50 graphical mods and another 5 to 10 that altered gameplay on some level. The original load order worked flawlessly. This one, as you may have surmised, does not.

 

It appears, on the surface, to be a memory issue of some sort - the only symptom is a straight CTD. With that as a starting point, I quickly found out that the SKSE Memory Patch wasn't being correctly applied. Fixed, tested, same result.

 

Following the memory path, I revisited my ENBLocal. My current system (4GB GTX980 and 16GB SysRAM on Win7) yeilded me a VideoMemory of 7740MB, which was up from the 4096 that was originally in the INI. I also dropped the reserved from 512 to 128MB. TechAngel, based on those numbers presented in another thread, has said that those numbers appear to be correct. The CTD still occurs.

 

With no other memory-related items to examine, at least to my knowledge, I am now considering that there may be some kind of mod conflict causing the issue. I am reluctant to think this since, as I mentioned, I actually pared my current list down from a much longer list that had no issues. But, as in all other troubleshooting, you go where the indications take you. I am not looking for a one-shot bandaid miracle solution here - what I am looking for is some know-how... which I lack.

 

I am aware that TES5Edit can be used for conflict identification and resolution via patches - what I am not aware of is HOW, exactly, this process works. I have, in the past, put my little toe in these waters and found myself completely out of my depth. Googling and searching on this forum has, as of yet, not given me any simple, easy-ish to understand guide on this subject. Based on these forums, as best I can tell you were all born knowing how to do this. So, please, if you could - some direction on this use of TES5Edit would be great, as would any additional insights on exploring where this CTD is coming from would be appriciated.

 

If it is required for intelligent discussion, I can provide the mod list from MO on request. I don't post it now because I am pretty sure the specific mods are irrelevent to the solution at large, but hey - I've been wrong before.

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None. Only the standard notes I get every time, not warnings.

 

As an update - I installed the Skyrim Performance Monitor just to keep an eye on memory loads (Hadn't done this before because I don't like the data on screen for normal play). Ran for two hours with no CTD, which is a solid record on this build. I even bumped uGrids up to 7, with no issues. I'm hoping this is a case of "Well, now that I 've asked for help, I don't need it", but continued testing will bear that out. Can't see why that would change anything, but meh...

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Update: (Read that as: Still randomly CTDs)

 

SPM has confirmed that it's not memory related... at least I have yet to see any memory reading that gets over 2900Mb. CPU usage is low - mid 20 to low 30s, GPU cruises along at a crisp 50-60% usage at right around 70 degrees C, so no issues there, nor would I have expected any. This leaves me, as I feared, with the tedious job of mod troubleshooting. So, to that end, I post below my Load Order.

 

File Load Order (Sorted by LOOT with user rules only as stated in the Guide)

 

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Cutting Room Floor.esp
AutoHarvest2.esp
SimpleTaxes.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
Traps Make Noise.esp
Dual Wield Parrying_SKSE.esp
ClamsDropPearls.esp
LootandDegradation.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp
Brows.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
Beards.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
FISS.esp
DragonShoutVoice.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
BFSEffects.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
BWS.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
FantasySoundtrackProjectCombatMusic.esp
Exhaustion.esp
Footprints.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
FSP - Dragonborn Edition.esp
RaceMenu.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
GuardAnimationsGDO.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
LFox Alchemists Have Ingredients Medium.esp
Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp
LFox Blacksmiths Have Metals.esp
SkyUI.esp
TradeBarter.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - for Pure Weather.esp
Nausicaa's Tweaker.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
Moss Rocks_DB.esp
ORM Convenient Alsvid.esp
LFox Vendors Have Black Soul Gems.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Paralyze.esp
AMatterOfTime.esp
WRF_by_RolandSir_Main_file_DG.esp
GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp
LFox Vendors Have Soul Gems.esp
Elemental Staves.esp
SkyCompleteLegendary.esp
SleepTight.esp
Soul Gems Differ - NW.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp
SMDropLitTorch.esp
RelightingSkyrim.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp
RelightingSkyrim_DB.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
ETaC - Complete RS Patch.esp
ELE Plugin - RS Light Color.esp
ViewableFactionRanksBothDLC.esp
Vividian - Lanterns of Skyrim Preset.esp
WM Trap Fixes.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueOrcish&DaedricWeapons.esp
ADS.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
PrinceandPauperRS.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
RelightingSkyrim_DG.esp
ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp
RealShelter.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacerRedux.esp
Distant DetailHF.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
AppropriatelyAttiredHousecarls v2.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
TimingIsEverything.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-PersidRRentalPatch.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-TimingIsEverythingPatch.esp
NonEssentialChildren.esp
RSChildren_PatchNEC.esp
ETaC Complete - BOYD NPC Fix.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
Immersive Whiterun.esp
Immersive Solstheim.esp
Holidays.esp
ETaC - Complete Holidays Patch.esp
RBB Long Boats.esp
Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers - Skyrim + Dawnguard DLC.esp
BirdsHFclean.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Inconsequential NPCs - CRF Compatibility Patch.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
ThievesGuildReq_LocalizedGuildJobs_Patch.esp
Point The Way.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
WetandCold.esp
AOS.esp
IHSS.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Pureweather.esp
Vividian - Pure Weather Patch.esp
Vividian - Extended Weathers - Pure weathers.esp
TrueStorms.esp
Supreme Fog.esp
TrueStorms-PureWeather.esp
Pureweather_AOS2 Patch.esp
ExpandedSnowSystems.esp
Supreme Storms.esp
TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-Vanilla.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
WondersofWeather.esp
aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Vividian - Torches Preset.esp
imp_helm_legend.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Cloaks.esp
RBB Large Boats.esp
RelightingSkyrim_HF.esp
Atlas Legendary.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
ETaC - Complete CRF Patch.esp
Markarth_plus.esp
TAVESolitude.esp
WayshrinesIFT.esp
FSP - Dawnguard Edition.esp
RBB Row Boats.esp
SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp
crimsonquestmarkers.esp
HearthfireChimneys.esp
TAVEWindhelm.esp
Book Covers Skyrim - Lost Library.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext CRF Patch.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
WhiterunInEnhanced.esp
Morning Fogs.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
Unique Grasses.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
TAVERiften.esp
HoldBorderBanners.esp
DragonPriestMaskQuestMarkers.esp
ETaC - Whiterun Ext LoS Patch.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp
iHUD.esp
iNeed.esp
BlockSparkles.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
ETaC - Complete Atlas Patch.esp
Chesko_Step418_SN.esp
RBB - Row Boats - Hearthfire Hotfix.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
towConversation.esp
STEP Extended Patch.esp
DynDOLOD.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
RSPatch.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

 

 

As far as I can tell, I have all appropriate patches and so forth. Any thoughts?
 

(Also, thanks to whomever ninja'd into the post and put in the spoiler tag - you are a ninja among pirates.)

 

EDIT:  This gets odder and odder. So, for the heck of it, I played tonight fully expecting to CTD about ten minutes into it. As a precaution, I d-loaded and installed the Autosave Manager mod, disabled all the standard auto saves in the settings menu, and set it to autosave every 10 minutes. I doubt this, by itself, did anything. But three hours later - still going. Even had a memory usage spike that went up to about 3.8Gb of VRAM for about ten minutes, and no crash. More and more, I'm thinking mod issue, and even more likely a script issue.

 

TO that end - easy ways of looking at the papyrun logs? Dunno how to turn on the logging or where to look for it afterwards either. Please? :)

Edited by Shadriss
added spoiler tags

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