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From the "DynDOLOD-FAQ.txt":

Q: Skyrim: Out of place objects

A: Updating of save game with old DynDOLOD.esp gone wrong. Follow instructions how to update save game with a new DynDOLOD.esp. Check DynDOLOD SkyUI MCM.

 

If this is a first time generation and a new game, then make sure to copy Meshes, Textures and SKSE (which includes the *.json files) from the output directory to the game directory. Make sure DynDOLOD.esp is activated. Check the MCM that DynDOLOD is active.

 

To make tree LOD brighter/darker, click the advanced button in the wizard for more options, including setting tree LOD brightness.

 

You do not need to create static/dynamic object LOD again if you just want to update tree LOD. Select desired worlds top left, uncheck Generate static LOD, uncheck Create texture Atlas, uncheck Generate DynDOLOD, then click OK.

Thank you very much Sheson for your answer!

 

It's a first time generation, I checked it today with a new game (before I checked it only with my vanilla-just-escaped-Helgen save). Meshes, Textures and SKSE folders generated to my output directory copied into my MO DynDOLOD-Output mod. The DynDOLOD.esp is activated and DynDOLOD is active in MCM and it doesn't show me any warnings or similar stuff.

 

I found only one kind of conflict in SkyFalls esp in TES5Edit (see screenshot below), but I guess that's the way DynDOLOD.esp should overwrite Skyfalls.esp, right?

 

 

post-6924-0-48371100-1435448833_thumb.jpg

 

 

 

So, still no waterwheels nor windmills :(

 

 

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Haven't had time yet to follow your advise regarding the trees, but thank you very much nonetheless for your instructions for generating darker treelod. But since I'm using lush trees, which (I guess) isn't read by DynDOLOD during lod generation, tree lods still look different and too "meager" - thinking about changing to SFO 2.3 and droppping lush trees. I think treelods might be look better that way... :dry:  ... but anyway, the sails and wheels are my problem, excuse the digression.

 

Hope we get this running >.<

Thanks for the uncounted hours you put into this project ... keep on doing the good stuff :thumbsup:

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I'm not exactly an expert here (still having problems myself), but I would guess, that the order of your mods is the reason. "DynDOLOD - Output" should be last in order - move it to the bottom of MO's left pane. (just guessing, sorry if I'm completely wrong here >.< )

Had a similar problem, and it seemed to be caused by tamrieltreelod.dds in "DynDOLOD - Output" getting overwritten by the same file from SFO.

 

 

You're correct. You can see that DDL - Output is overwritten.

 

 

You need to move DynDOLOD Output after Skyrim Flora Overhaul Basic edition.

 

Regarding clicking form ids, you can only click on loaded models in the attched cells, but not on LOD. after clicking an object type disable to make it disappear, enable to show it again. Then you know you have the right object.

That did it, thanks so much!  I guess I'm an idiot but in my defense the GamerPoets video made it seem like I had the output in the right place.  Whew.  Would've saved myself like 5 hours of messing around if I'd posted my stupid order yesterday.

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Then may I ask why im only getting the windmill sails and not the full object? And why the road lod is missing near the windmills?

 

Also, you're telling me that DynDOLOD won't show when inside Whiterun?

 

I read on Skymills page that "You could create the static LOD (and or tree LOD) with DynDOLOD yourself, to include city extensions/custom home mod buildings into your LOD, by following the provided tutorials from both Sheson himself, or from GamerPoets. In short, press teh advanced button in the DynDOLOD GUI and simply untick the "Generate DynDOLOD" checkbox in the bottom of the screen." Could that possibly fix my issue? Are Dynamic LODs basically moving windmills and waterfalls?

 

 

Edit: I notice that I keep getting a notification to let TES5edit know when LODGen.exe is done running, more so than usual. This is like my 4th reinstall of this mod now, trying to fix the Windmill issues, cause I get floating windmills and when I get close the building shows up but the windmills vanish.

 

Edit 2: I notice that TES5edit says that the script is done but LODGen.exe still has to load Wyrmstooth LODs. Is this normal? I'm not getting a SKSE folder anymore either. Weird.

 

Edit 3: After 5 different instillations I got it to work. What I did was take the meshes from Skyfalls+Skymills and SMIM for Windmills and deleted Skyfalls, taking the meshes and making them its own mod via winRAR and adding it to NMM and overwrite anything from SMIM-Merged. I now have giant windmills in my LOD along with the windmill building and the sails dont vanish when I get close.

The area immediately outside the town walls are attached cells. The Tamriel non-persistent worldspace cells get replaced by Town worldspace cells. They are distinct cells with their own set of objects that have no or very few objects placed outside the walls. The windmill sails are shown because DynDOLOD sets them to the persistent Tamriel cell and to always show. Since the town worldspace is a child of Tamriel the persistent stuff carries over.

 

So dynamic LOD from DynDOLOD is showing when inside the towns. Static and tree LOD is also showing when inside the walls. But again the cells with the missing objects are attached. Attached cells do not show LOD.

 

Glad your were able to fix the problems you created yourself  :;):

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Thank you very much Sheson for your answer!

 

It's a first time generation, I checked it today with a new game (before I checked it only with my vanilla-just-escaped-Helgen save). Meshes, Textures and SKSE folders generated to my output directory copied into my MO DynDOLOD-Output mod. The DynDOLOD.esp is activated and DynDOLOD is active in MCM and it doesn't show me any warnings or similar stuff.

 

I found only one kind of conflict in SkyFalls esp in TES5Edit (see screenshot below), but I guess that's the way DynDOLOD.esp should overwrite Skyfalls.esp, right?

 

 

 

So, still no waterwheels nor windmills :(

 

 

 

Haven't had time yet to follow your advise regarding the trees, but thank you very much nonetheless for your instructions for generating darker treelod. But since I'm using lush trees, which (I guess) isn't read by DynDOLOD during lod generation, tree lods still look different and too "meager" - thinking about changing to SFO 2.3 and droppping lush trees. I think treelods might be look better that way... :dry:  ... but anyway, the sails and wheels are my problem, excuse the digression.

 

Hope we get this running >.

Thanks for the uncounted hours you put into this project ... keep on doing the good stuff :thumbsup:

DynDOLOD overwrites some objects of SkyMills and SkyFalls. That is intended, because some are changed to follow near/far Grid switching and or replaced by static LOD for better performance.

 

If you still have some? missing dynamic objects something really goes wrong. You get waterfalls, the big tree inside Whiterun or giant fires?

 

You are not speed running or used tcl?

 

 

You could verify this:

 

Unfold DynDOLOD.esp in TES5Edit, Tamriel persistent worldspace 00000D74. See if you can find a bunch of references like

EditorID = SkyFallsSkyMillsDGDBesp_010387_DynDOLOD_LOD

Name = SMFarmLumbermill01WaterWheel01_DynDOLOD_LOD [MSTT:xxxxxxxx]

 

 

If you have those, pick one of them and note its FormID. For example 950044EB Remove first 2 digits 95 so it becomes 0044EB and convert this to an integer (windows Calculator, programmer view), for example 17643.

 

 

Now open skse\plugins\StorageUtilData\DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json in notepad and search for the number with quotes around it. For example "17643".

You should find a line like

"17643":["1","1","1","","","17643","DynDOLOD.esp","-1","-1"],

 

If all this is the case, it means DynDOLODs created esp and data is intact. So the the cause is either this DynDOLOD.esp is not loaded in game.

The *,json files in skse\plugins\StorageUtilData\ do not belong to this DynDOLOD.esp or some other mods overwrites the data.

 

 

That did it, thanks so much!  I guess I'm an idiot but in my defense the GamerPoets video made it seem like I had the output in the right place.  Whew.  Would've saved myself like 5 hours of messing around if I'd posted my stupid order yesterday.

Great, glad we could hep you.

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Unhandled Exception: System.AccessViolationException: Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.

   at Microsoft.Win32.Win32Native.GetFileAttributesEx(String name, Int32 fileInfoLevel, WIN32_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DATA& lpFileInformation)
   at System.IO.File.FillAttributeInfo(String path, WIN32_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DATA& data, Boolean tryagain, Boolean returnErrorOnNotFound)
   at System.IO.File.InternalExists(String path)
   at System.IO.File.InternalExistsHelper(String path, Boolean checkHost)
   at LODGenerator.NiFile.Read(String gameDir, String fileName, LogFile logFile)
   at LODGenerator.LODApp.<>c__DisplayClass4.<GenerateLOD>b__2(Object state)
   at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart_Context(Object state)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state, Boolean preserveSyncCtx)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(ExecutionContext executionContext, ContextCallback callback, Object state)
   at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart(Object obj)
Finished LOD level 8 coord [-48, 16] [7158/4033]
Finished LOD level 4 coord [12, -12] [21619/10687]
Error writing D:\Games\steam\steamapps\common\skyrim\Data\meshes\terrain\Tamriel\Objects\Tamriel.8.24.40.bto Could not find a part of the path 'D:\Games\steam\steamapps\common\skyrim\Data\meshes\terrain\Tamriel\Objects\Tamriel.8.24.40.bto'.
In case Mod Organizer is used, set output path outside of game and MO virtual file system directory
Log ended at 20:51
[Tamriel] Objects LOD generation error: LODGen process error, exit code 502
LOD Generator: finished (you can close this application now)

I cannot even create Lods using TES5LODGen...

 

Without MO TES5LODGen works OK...

 

Sorry for this. The problem was with MO folder (I kept it inside data/tools folder). I'm such a noob  ::(:

 

I make it finally work as intended. Thank you so much, Sheson.

 

P.S. I found only one issue so far with DynDOLOD 1.28 and SkyMills - Double fan for Solitude Mill :)

 

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I cannot even create Lods using TES5LODGen...

 

Without MO TES5LODGen works OK...

 

Sorry for this. The problem was with MO folder (I kept it inside data/tools folder). I'm such a noob  ::(:

 

I make it finally work as intended. Thank you so much, Sheson.

 

P.S. I found only one issue so far with DynDOLOD 1.28 and SkyMills - Double fan for Solitude Mill :)

 

kaFSxLV.jpg

Can you open console and click on both sails and check the form ids?

You know how the first 2 digest are the mod? One will belong to DynDOLOD. I am interested in the form id and the mod name of the other.

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Hey sheson have you taken a look at our DDL mod page yet? I'd be curious if you think we might need to clean up any of the instructions to reduce S&T that is coming your way.

 

https://wiki.step-project.com/Dynamic_Distant_Objects_LOD#Recommendations

Yes and I also wanted to mention a couple updates:

 

Go to the Plugins tab in Mod Organizer's and temporarily enable the three High Resolution Texture Pack and Unofficial High Resolution Patch dummy ESPs. This is necessary for some LOD files to be created.

This should not be needed anymore, now that I added all LOD textures from Hi-Res DLC to DynDOLOD. I am not aware that the Patch updates any LOD textures. One could argue the hi-res textures would be a better source for TexGen, but I doubt anyone could spot a difference once they are resized.

 

DynDOLOD TexGen

It should be mentioned that it requires Dawnguard and Dragonborn (I need to add this too) or it will complain about missing source textures.

I changed its default LOD texture size back to 256x256, the 128x128 was a left over test.

 

At the end maybe add info about

- Let LOOT sort out DynDOLOD.esp position now that it has masters.

- Make sure that the DynDOLOD Output Meshes/Textures/SKSE (Json files) are not overwritten by other mods, especially not by tree mods that come with their own tree LOD.

 

It may also be a good idea to outline the steps when updating an existing save game since it is somewhat better to disable DynDOLOD from the MCM while the old esp is still active.

This way people have a chance to see the procedure before they do it the first time.

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The area immediately outside the town walls are attached cells. The Tamriel non-persistent worldspace cells get replaced by Town worldspace cells. They are distinct cells with their own set of objects that have no or very few objects placed outside the walls. The windmill sails are shown because DynDOLOD sets them to the persistent Tamriel cell and to always show. Since the town worldspace is a child of Tamriel the persistent stuff carries over.

 

So dynamic LOD from DynDOLOD is showing when inside the towns. Static and tree LOD is also showing when inside the walls. But again the cells with the missing objects are attached. Attached cells do not show LOD.

 

Glad your were able to fix the problems you created yourself  :;):

I did notice one thing I wanna ask though. The last time I did DynDOLOD, I generated static and dynamic lods, and when I went to exit when it was all said and done DynDOLOD.esp and arnima.esp were altered. arnima being Beyond Reach I clicked okay to the changes, I doubt a LOD mod could really mess up Beyond Reach but I though id ask just incase, aswell as wondering why arnima.esp was altered.

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Yes and I also wanted to mention a couple updates:

 

Go to the Plugins tab in Mod Organizer's and temporarily enable the three High Resolution Texture Pack and Unofficial High Resolution Patch dummy ESPs. This is necessary for some LOD files to be created.

This should not be needed anymore, now that I added all LOD textures from Hi-Res DLC to DynDOLOD. I am not aware that the Patch updates any LOD textures. One could argue the hi-res textures would be a better source for TexGen, but I doubt anyone could spot a difference once they are resized.

 

DynDOLOD TexGen

It should be mentioned that it requires Dawnguard and Dragonborn (I need to add this too) or it will complain about missing source textures.

I changed its default LOD texture size back to 256x256, the 128x128 was a left over test.

 

At the end maybe add info about

- Let LOOT sort out DynDOLOD.esp position now that it has masters.

- Make sure that the DynDOLOD Output Meshes/Textures/SKSE (Json files) are not overwritten by other mods, especially not by tree mods that come with their own tree LOD.

 

It may also be a good idea to outline the steps when updating an existing save game since it is somewhat better to disable DynDOLOD from the MCM while the old esp is still active.

This way people have a chance to see the procedure before they do it the first time.

Thanks, I'll make some changes to try and prevent as many problems as possible. 

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I can't even run game with DynDOLOD.esp.

It looks like typical missing master crash before main menu.

I have to turn off either DynDOLOD.esp or any other large esp like ASIS.esp or Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

I currently have really lot of big mods like 3DNPC, Skyre, ETAC, ELFX, 4 Skyproccers...

Of course i checked your mem patch, ENB, Papyrus settings and nothing helps.

Did i run into new engine limitation nobody have had before? :)

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DynDOLOD overwrites some objects of SkyMills and SkyFalls. That is intended, because some are changed to follow near/far Grid switching and or replaced by static LOD for better performance.

 

If you still have some? missing dynamic objects something really goes wrong. You get waterfalls, the big tree inside Whiterun or giant fires?

 

You are not speed running or used tcl?

Thank you Sheson for your very elaborated reply!

I'm not using tcl or player.setav speedmult commands, nor any other commands.

In the attached screenshot you can see, that LOD looks good (trees are still not as they could be - haven't had time to follow your advice on them yet). I can see the giants fires, the Gildergreen Tree inside Whiterun (if you ment that tree with "big tree inside Whiterun") and waterfalls are there and animated as well - waterfall 2 in below screenshot looks a little off though (the foam is too broad, but that's not really something serious). Apart from the missing mill sails and water wheels, the only things, that are a little "unusual" are increased mountain flickering with DynDOLOD and that the exterior Whiterun walls flicker sometimes (mostly before changing lod, if my memory serves me) - but without DynDOLOD I get missing LODs for those Whiterun walls (a issue, that I think is related to Vibid Landscapes, that DynDOLOD fixes for me .. that's really cool :) ) ... but anyhow: Apart from missing sails and wheels nothing really suspicious!

 

post-6924-0-69954400-1435529693_thumb.jpg

 

(Can't post more screenshots, due to file size limit - therefore imgur links used now)

 

https://i.imgur.com/eFOtgVY.jpg

 

 

You could verify this:

 

Unfold DynDOLOD.esp in TES5Edit, Tamriel persistent worldspace 00000D74. See if you can find a bunch of references like

EditorID = SkyFallsSkyMillsDGDBesp_010387_DynDOLOD_LOD

Name = SMFarmLumbermill01WaterWheel01_DynDOLOD_LOD [MSTT:xxxxxxxx]

 

 

If you have those, pick one of them and note its FormID. For example 950044EB Remove first 2 digits 95 so it becomes 0044EB and convert this to an integer (windows Calculator, programmer view), for example 17643.

 

 

Now open skse\plugins\StorageUtilData\DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json in notepad and search for the number with quotes around it. For example "17643".

You should find a line like

"17643":["1","1","1","","","17643","DynDOLOD.esp","-1","-1"],

 

If all this is the case, it means DynDOLODs created esp and data is intact. So the the cause is either this DynDOLOD.esp is not loaded in game.

The *,json files in skse\plugins\StorageUtilData\ do not belong to this DynDOLOD.esp or some other mods overwrites the data.

 

 

That's a nice way to look things up - thanks! And it revealed, that there seems something to be wrong with my DynDOLODs. I looked up the entries in Tamriel persistent worldspace 00000D74 and sorted them by EditorID.

As you can see in below screenshot, 16 entries which names start with "SMFarm..." are not listed in the DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json (FieldIDs xx006BE2 - xx006BF1 correspond to integer values of 27617-27633, right?).

 

https://i.imgur.com/XcDOgGS.jpg

 

Well, at least we found something, which hopefully will help to solve this issue :woot:

 

Edit: In above screenshot entry 93005AA2 (Name: SWindmillrotor_DynDOLOD_LOD [MSTT:9300338B]) is missing from DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json as well.

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Thank you Sheson for your very elaborated reply!

I'm not using tcl or player.setav speedmult commands, nor any other commands.

In the attached screenshot you can see, that LOD looks good (trees are still not as they could be - haven't had time to follow your advice on them yet). I can see the giants fires, the Gildergreen Tree inside Whiterun (if you ment that tree with "big tree inside Whiterun") and waterfalls are there and animated as well - waterfall 2 in below screenshot looks a little off though (the foam is too broad, but that's not really something serious). Apart from the missing mill sails and water wheels, the only things, that are a little "unusual" are increased mountain flickering with DynDOLOD and that the exterior Whiterun walls flicker sometimes (mostly before changing lod, if my memory serves me) - but without DynDOLOD I get missing LODs for those Whiterun walls (a issue, that I think is related to Vibid Landscapes, that DynDOLOD fixes for me .. that's really cool :) ) ... but anyhow: Apart from missing sails and wheels nothing really suspicious!

 

attachicon.gifSkyMills_DynDOLOD_Confl-02b.jpg

 

(Can't post more screenshots, due to file size limit - therefore imgur links used now)

 

https://i.imgur.com/eFOtgVY.jpg

 

 

 

That's a nice way to look things up - thanks! And it revealed, that there seems something to be wrong with my DynDOLODs. I looked up the entries in Tamriel persistent worldspace 00000D74 and sorted them by EditorID.

As you can see in below screenshot that 16 entries which name start with "SMFarm..." are not listed in the DynDOLOD_Tamriel_Objects.json (FieldIDs xx006BE2 - xx006BF1 correspond to interger values of 27617-27633, right?).

 

https://i.imgur.com/XcDOgGS.jpg

 

Well, at least we found something, which hopefully will help to solve this issue :woot:

I sent you a possible fix for the mill sails man. I hope it works for you. Id post it here, but I dont know if it'd be against the rules.

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I sent you a possible fix for the mill sails man. I hope it works for you. Id post it here, but I dont know if it'd be against the rules.

Don't worry about trading files privately from SkyFalls/Mills or SMIM on STEP. We're friends with the authors of those mods and they don't mind us messing with their mods as long as we don't upload them somewhere like the nexus.

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      Single color flat noise, Adjusted vanilla noise, HD Terrain Noise Texture SE
      Examples for Skyrim. Install to game folder like any other texture mod. The noise texture is applied in-game on top of terrain LOD textures, so no effect for LOD generation.
      Only the red channel is used in case the textures is not a grey channel format. MipMaps are ignored. The textures is tiled 3x3 per LOD quad, e.g. for LOD level 4, the noise texture is repeated 3 times to cover 4 cells, for LOD level 8, the noise texture is repeated 3 times to cover 8 cells and so on.
      Test-Terrain-Tamriel.7z
      For testing terrain LOD distances. Plain color terrain LOD textures for Tamriel with coordinates for every LOD quad. Green for LOD 4, yellow for LOD8, blue for LOD 16 and red for LOD 32.
    • By sheson
      DynDOLOD DLL for Skyrim, Skyrim Special Edition, Skyrim Anniversary Edition and Skyrim VR
      So far all versions of DynDOLOD use the SKSE plugin PapyrusUtil for the optional dynamic LOD in the game. Starting with version 2.45 there is now the alternative DynDOLOD DLL available.
      The current DLL version is 2.45. It works with dynamic LOD generated by DynDOLOD Standalone 2.45 and newer.
      Read the ..DynDOLOD\Docs\DynDOLOD_DLL.html included in DynDOLOD Standalone for an explanation about DynDOLOD DLL, installation instructions (overwrite papyrus scripts of DynDOLOD Resources) and how it works.
      If there are problems with it, check DynDOLOD_DLL.html and the DynDOLOD FAQ first before posting.
      If a DynDOLOD.DLL version is required for a game version that is not listed below, request it in this thread. First, search this thread if it has been requested already, though. The future will tell how long it takes to release updates.
      Typically a new DynDOLOD.DLL is required for each new game version, but not each new SKSE version. For example a DynDOLOD.DLL compiled with SKSE64 2.0.9 also works with SKSE64 2.0.10 for the same game version.
      Nexus Downloads for DynDOLOD 2.45 and higher
      DynDOLOD DLL for Skyrim
      DynDOLOD DLL SE for Skyrim Special Edition
      DynDOLOD DLL VR for Skyrim VR
      Mega Mirrors:
      DynDOLOD.DLL + Scripts for Skyrim 1.9.32 (overwrite the papyrus scripts included in DynDOLOD Resources)
      DynDOLOD Scripts for Skyrim Special Edition and Skyrim VR (overwrite the papyrus scripts included in DynDOLOD Resources SE)
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.39
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.50
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.53
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.62
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.73
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.80
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.5.97
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.6.318
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.6.323
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.6.342
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim Special Edition 1.6.353
      DynDOLOD.DLL for Skyrim VR 1.4.15
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