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I find Gopher's Mod "testing" to be irritating. (There, I said it.)

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His dismissal of Immersive College of Winterhold by Grantyboy050 as a glorified "player home mod" and his total fubarred look at ETAC, just pisses me off considering how much awesomeness is represented by those two mods. 

 

He defends his habit of not reading mod descriptions and instructions (says it would make a boring video, but one would think he could do any necessary reading prep off camera). For ETAC he didn't even use any of the patches and seemed to have overlooked the texture options made available to him. He also installed South Dragon Bridge even though he runs a well documented conflicting mod in his build. He then had to do a "do-over" install, presumably reading the option descriptions in the installer.

 

For Immersive College of Winterhold by Grantyboy050, Gopher didn't even load the mod up. Curiously, in the last few weeks he has reviewed two college related mods: one that adds doors to the bedrooms, and the other which adds a kitchen...all  features which come standard in the Immersive College of Winterhold mod (among a multitude of other amazing additions and changes).

 

My issue is that, to paraphrase Benjamin "Ben" Parker, "with great youtube popularity comes great responsibility". He is doing a great disservice to these mod authors by doing these half-ass "testing" videos.

 

 

Oh well.

 

/rant off

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For newcomers to the modding scene his videos are generally a good start. No one should rely solely on reviews from other people. I get your point, but it's not always easy for youtubers with a huge audience.

 

If you really want to help him getting better at what he does, contact him in advance or post whilst he is livestreaming to give him hints for what he should look out.

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For newcomers to the modding scene his videos are generally a good start. No one should rely solely on reviews from other people. I get your point, but it's not always easy for youtubers with a huge audience.

 

If you really want to help him getting better at what he does, contact him in advance or post whilst he is livestreaming to give him hints for what he should look out.

Fair words, I'm less irritable now. ;)

 

I enjoy his Skyrim Videos (Let's Play is awesome and his tutorials are pure gold) just not his mod "testing" ones, he simply isn't thorough enough and it can result in unfair evaluations or outright misinformation about some one's hard work.

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Keep in mind that those videos are actually streams where he's trying to keep up with 1000+ persons on the chat at the same time.

Also the reason why he dismissed the Immersive College of Wintehold mod is because of it not being on the suggestions page, which resulted in a great number of people asking for it not to be tested before the more requested mods were showcased (seriously, the chat exploded when he was going to test it). Also ETaC's patches were down (being updated by Jenna) when he downloaded ETaC, which explains why he missed them.

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A good thing with this approach is that it also kinda help show how the general audience reads your descriptions etc. 

 

I found it quite nice when he reviewed my ENB.. and ended up using the wrong binary version because I did not have it in plain text that the latest was required. A bit annoying yes, but ultimately it helped me create a better experience for other people! 

 

That said then it is very clear when he does those that he is not really focused at all... imo they are not really worth much since well, it is so obvious that he has not done the proper off cam preparations etc. 

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A good thing with this approach is that it also kinda help show how the general audience reads your descriptions etc. 

 

I found it quite nice when he reviewed my ENB.. and ended up using the wrong binary version because I did not have it in plain text that the latest was required. A bit annoying yes, but ultimately it helped me create a better experience for other people! 

 

That said then it is very clear when he does those that he is not really focused at all... imo they are not really worth much since well, it is so obvious that he has not done the proper off cam preparations etc. 

RTFM is the running joke it seems, so even if you had stressed the point, it might still have been missed. But good points, encapsulates my own opinion yet sounds nicer!

Keep in mind that those videos are actually streams where he's trying to keep up with 1000+ persons on the chat at the same time.Also the reason why he dismissed the Immersive College of Wintehold mod is because of it not being on the suggestions page, which resulted in a great number of people asking for it not to be tested before the more requested mods were showcased (seriously, the chat exploded when he was going to test it). Also ETaC's patches were down (being updated by Jenna) when he downloaded ETaC, which explains why he missed them.

The College mod tangent was largely based on his own statement that an overhaul of the Mage College was "needed". Yes, I understand that it would have thrown a wrench into the "planned" mod tests, but that was even more of reason for him not to rush to judgment on ICoW in such a flippant/dismissive manner when he could simply said, "can't test it this week".

 

It's like the worst time for ETAC to be reviewed right now, just bad timing. I'm still on the 9.1 version (Complete & Patches) to avoid the issues that cropped up in the 9.2 (which I test drove) -specifically in Dawnstar and the CTD.

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I am probably not going to test more mods in this manner due to complaints such as this. Whilst I obviously disagree with your assessment completely, the simple fact of the matter is if people are taking my words as a judgement and that is negatively affecting the mod, then I should stop live testing completely. There is no real honest way to test them live and avoid such perceptions. Testing them prior to the stream makes the stream pointless to me, and equally pointless to the audience. It is just a 'live' version of the Mod showcase videos then and gives no insight into how I begin testing mods. And be under no illusion, what you see during the live streams is just the beginning of the process. An important step, but a small one.

 

I will just go back to testing mods in private and produce video reviews instead. 

 

 

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Guess if you read this then I just want to say thanks! Seeing how you did it actually did help me make a much better description and also helped me improve the preset in general, since even if it was the wrong version you did have a few gold nuggets for me! :) 

 

As for the general concept.. as long as you have some fun doing it then I do not mind the method at all. I know that you should take live stuff with a bit of moderation... hats for for your work so far, and hope you will continue doing more experimentation and skyrim stuff in the future! 

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Hey Gopher. Nice to see you around. Hope this kind of thing doesn't discourage you, honestly I like your style (most of the time) we'd like to see you around here more I think it'd help us out a lot idea wise.

 

Edit: weird I know I hit post like 3 hours ago lol just now finished.

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I have watched some mod testing videos by Gopher, mostly offline though and skipping some stuff.

 

Just to give you my 2 cents on the matter: I generally do not think you should entirely stop live mod testing, but I have some suggestions for improvement to maybe make it work better. If you review your testing of the Stable mod for example (the one that added stables for inns). It was suggested by the mod author in chat, I think your choice of words when you found some glitches where a little unfortunate. Since he was in the chat you could have communicated with him and maybe ask him if you should revisit the mod another time. Generally establishing some sort of encore if something went bonkers during the testing would be good imho so people can improve things if they agree with problems you see.

 

Another suggestion would be to do the testing with someone in chat, preferably someone who successfully installed the mods you test. That would give you a second set of eyes for potential installation issues, reading the manual and potentially knowing some background about the mod.

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Gopher's video's have helped me so much despite the fact that they can be 45 minutes long sometimes.  ::P: I haven't really watched his mod review videos however.

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