Interior Mist Issue - Dark Outlines Around Objects

[oqhansoloqo]

Hello, I am having a strange issue with interior mist/fog.  It seems to look fine when I am far away from it, but as I get close to it, it apparently creates some kind of strange effect on the appearance of objects behind it.  It poorly outlines the objects behind it with a bad-looking dark outline.

 

1. Normal looking from far away 2. Looks like crap when close or in the mist

 

I run STEP Extended with extra mods on top of that.  I even have a number of upcoming STEP 2.2.9 mods in my mod list.

 

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Edited April 13, 2014 by oqhansoloqo

[oqhansoloqo]

I just disabled ELFX Enhancer from my plugin list and it looks even worse now: It seems to be an issue everywhere where there's any kind of mist/fog effect going on, it's just that in most cases it's not apparent with ELFX Enhancer.  What is causing this?

 

[Kuldebar]

Do you have the ENB Subsurface Particle Patch installed or use an ENB Preset? If so, does it change when turn it off in game? Shift+F12

[oqhansoloqo]

No, I do not have that installed - I tried Shift+F12 in game and it didn't do anything.  Another thing to mention about the outlining effect is that if I turn slightly and look at the mist from a different angle the outlining effect disappears.  It's incredibly annoying to have the effect constantly pop in and out depending on which angle I'm facing.  Another thing is that I can stand next to flowing mist from the cave waterfall and have the effect blink in and out as the mist flows towards me in gusts.

 

Hmm, I got an idea...  (EDIT - nah, didn't work.  I tried changing a setting in NVIDIA Inspector.  Think this problem could have something to do with an .ini setting as opposed to a particular mod?)

Edited April 14, 2014 by oqhansoloqo

[Kuldebar]

Have you made any adjustments to fBlockMaximumDistance in the SkyrimPrefs.ini?

 

Since you don't use an ENB, you should load up the game using default, game provided ini files just to see if anything changes.

 

Copy your current INI (Skyrim.ini & SkyrimPrefs.ini) from your Mod Organizer Profile and put them in a safe place.

 

Copy unedited game INI files into your MO Profile Folder and load your save to test results.

 

 

If you need to generate fresh INI's just delete the old ones from the default folder:

 

"X:Documentsmy gamesskyrim" and run the steam launcher so new INI's can be created.

Edited April 14, 2014 by Kuldebar

[oqhansoloqo]

Just tried that - I got the same results, so it's not something weird in the Skyrim.ini or SkyrimPrefs.ini.

 

I'm thinking of possibly disabling all non-STEP mods and testing to see if that solves it (to test).

[Kuldebar]

Just tried that - I got the same results, so it's not something weird in the Skyrim.ini or SkyrimPrefs.ini.

 

I'm thinking of possibly disabling all non-STEP mods and testing to see if that solves it (to test).

Can't beat the process of elimination as a means to isolate a cause!

[oqhansoloqo]

I think I'm one step closer to figuring this out.  I just realized something...  I had to leave the interior space and then re-enter the space to see that changes of disabling mods.  Here's how I figured that out:  I disabled all the non-STEP mods and loaded a saved game that put me in the interior cave where I could view the mist.  It was doing the same thing as before.  Then I said to myself... "well, maybe I have to exit this game space and then re-enter it in order to fix the problem (IOW - leave the cave and re-enter."  So I did that, and it did fix the problem.  This leads me to believe that my previous effort to fix the problem by just disabling one of the mods that I thought was the culprit (Morning Fogs Refined) may have actually solved the problem if I had left and re-entered the cave.  I'm going to re-enable all my mods again and test that.

[Kuldebar]

Makes sense, best to save outside the cell and re-enter for the test...many cell changes get "stuck" even when the source record change is removed.

Edited April 14, 2014 by Kuldebar

[oqhansoloqo]

Now I'm confused... So I set everything up the same as before - didn't even disable ANY suspect mods yet... I decided to go outside of the cave and re-enter it just to check that before disabling suspects, and when I looked at the mist the problem was gone.  I don't know what to do now.  I know I had this weird issue in a different interior space (same "dungeon" but different loaded interior) with mist, so I imagine this problem will resurface again... but maybe I DID change something since the previous time I had my full mod list enabled and didn't realize it.  I don't know. :S

Edited April 14, 2014 by oqhansoloqo

[Kuldebar]

When you set out on this problem, did you first verify that it wasn't just an isolated glitch? I mean, if it isn't repeatable, it's not something that can be readily solved via the process of elimination. Skyrim will always throw stuff at you that can simply be resolved by closing the game/and/or rebooting your PC...specially rendering type glitches. I had an invisible floor once inside Arcadia's Cauldron...I was like WTF?!!

 

I exited the store, went back in...same thing. But after closing the game and loading back my save (I save before entering any interior cell) the issue was gone and never returned.

 

In my younger impatient days, I might have rushed out of the game and started turning off mods...but I learned the hard way to differentiate between anomalies and systemic issues.

[oqhansoloqo]

What got me was when I transitioned from one interior to another and had the same issue with mist in both interiors.  I left to an exterior, went back in, same problem.  I saved in the interior, exited the game, reinitialized the game, reloaded - same problem.

 

I guess the game needed me to exit the interior, save, exit game, reinitialize game, reload, re-enter interior?  Hopefully, that's it with this problem.  Otherwise I'll be updating you. ;)

Edited April 14, 2014 by oqhansoloqo

[Noved742]

I encountered this problem before, but for me it was because I enabled ambient occlusion (SSAO).  Especially if it's enabled using your Nvidia graphics card settings, it would show the ambient occlusion even through the mist, so you'd get these weird black outlines because your graphics card sees a corner and wants to draw a dark spot there.  Particularly it would flash and flicker when I looked around, which is annoying, so now I only use ENB SSAO.

Edited April 16, 2014 by Noved742

[Kuldebar]

Noved742, on 16 Apr 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:Noved742, on 16 Apr 2014 - 08:04 AM, said:

I encountered this problem before, but for me it was because I enabled ambient occlusion (SSAO).  Especially if it's enabled using your Nvidia graphics card settings, it would show the ambient occlusion even through the mist, so you'd get these weird black outlines because your graphics card sees a corner and wants to draw a dark spot there.  Particularly it would flash and flicker when I looked around, which is annoying, so now I only use ENB SSAO.

Great point, and having the video card control panel settings incorrect will cause a variety of issues when running the enbseries. Usually you will get a warning for AA related issues, but I'm not sure if that triggers for other incompatible settings that can occur.

 

But the OP doesn't use an ENB Preset...so the glitch is anomalous (non-repeatable upon re-entry to cell) or caused by conflicting cell/image-space edit. 

 

Also, sometimes things just get rendered wrong or incompletely by the game engine and it's worth just reloading from the desktop or even rebooting your machine.  

Edited April 16, 2014 by Kuldebar

[Aiyen]

If this is not SSAO related... which in most cases it would be. Then it is almost certainly a driver version issue. 

 

It is certainly an issue the game has with drawing through transparent effects correctly... Which the default game with default ini´s should not have at all. 

[oqhansoloqo]

OK - I do have Ambient Occlusion enabled in NVIDIA Inspector to the performance setting.  Next time I get a weird issue like this I will disable it and see what happens.  So it sounds like that is the likely cause.  I'll keep you updated.  In fact, I'll see if I still have the save where it's messed up and I'll try to fix it just by disabling the setting (without exiting to an exterior).

 

EDIT: Actually, it was set to "enabled" instead of "0x00000001".  At one point I was testing out an ENB but decided to not use ENB for the sake of smoother gameplay.  Perhaps I missed that one setting.  I'm still planning on checking out how it affects the mist situation though...

 

EDIT2: Excellent - that must have been it.  I first tried leaving it on Performance and 0x00000001 - same issue.  Then I turned it Off and Disabled it.  When I loaded the save that time I didn't even have to do any strange routine of exiting/saving/etc to fix it.  The problem was completely gone.  That was it - SSAO (non-ENB version).  Is there a good reason to leave it at the "Performance and 0x00000001" setting (until it possibly does something funny again) or do you think I should just leave it "Off and Disabled" altogether?

Edited April 16, 2014 by oqhansoloqo