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General questions about STEP



Thinking of using STEP , First Question, is STEP following the wiki page and just installing what has the Green bar. IS extended STEP everything not Green but also on the same WIKI page?

Is STEP about a base game, that one adds mods too like SkyRE and Frostfall.

     AS i am really, really, accustomed to using Wrye BAsh, since Oblivion and FCOM  days, can this also be followed with only using Wrye? I watched a few videos on the use of MO and all during the videos i keep thinking...i can do that in Wrye.

Decided to put background stuff in spoilers ...



    First 2 playthrus of Skyrim (since release day) i ran with about 50-60 mods and one character had 227 hrs (total play time to date 460+ hours)...ya i like Skyrim. Set Skyrim aside to play Fallouts for a few months, but really couldn't  get into them.....so back to Skyrim. for this run i decided to Start fresh and nuked skyrim and downloaded again fresh. After installing 130 mods i found i had a repeatable crash, took a few days to find out it had to do with creature spawns (IC) and starting a new game fixed it. But i worry that i could have other things i am missing, that will lead to problems in the future.



Reading about STEP I see that a lot of work has gone into this, but I see mods that i don't have right now, that could help with a stable game. (I have a screen cap of Skyrim @ 19 HRS play time) so ya i like it stable.


At present this is my BAIN List followed by a MOD list. Every single mod was restructured in BAIN to include patches and updates, can this also be done following STEP?

Bain Packages:

000 - ==End Projects==
001 - ==Official==
++ 002 - Official HD Packs.7z (9EAC0820) (Installed)<<<<yep the Dlc,s are a massive file....lol
++ 003 - Unofficial High Resolution Patch-31255-1-1-5.7z (39698250) (Installed)
++ 004 - Unofficial Dawnguard Patch-23491-2-0-1a.7z (D863591D) (Installed)
++ 005 - Unofficial Dragonborn Patch-31083-2-0-1.7z (E6070D7D) (Installed)
++ 006 - Unofficial Hearthfire Patch-25127-2-0-1.7z (921A5C1C) (Installed)
007 - ==UI- Interface==
++ 008 - SkyUI_4_1-3863-4-1.7z (C6DC02FF) (Installed)
++ 009 - Immersive HUD v2_4-3222-2-4.7z (742E8E95) (Installed)
++ 010 - Unofficial Skyrim Patch-19-2-0-2a.7z (48F1CECE) (Installed)
++ 011 - Take Notes - Journal of the Dragonborn-48375-1-52.7z (F6C1E65A) (Installed)
++ 012 - CategorizedFavoritesMenu v0_1_18-4862-0-1-17.7z (D113B01F) (Installed)
++ 013 - Equipping Overhaul-49784-3-13.7z (ED3292EE) (Installed)
++ 014 - FileAccess Interface for Skyrim Scripts - FISS-48265-1-21.7z (C464F7FE) (Installed)
++ 015 - Achieve That-30212-2-3-1.7z (3C035C6C) (Installed)
++ 016 - Skyrim -Community- Uncapper v1_15_2_0-1175-1-15-2-0.7z (69EDFDD4) (Installed)
++ 017 - RaceMenu v2-5-1-29624-2-5-1.7z (C99FCFBC) (Installed)
++ 018 - Lock Overhaul-29979-1-2.7z (C29DDA95) (Installed)
++ 019 - Septim HD 1 point 0-3018-1-0.7z (48D4DDB2) (Installed)
020 - ==Textures==
++ 021 - Enhanced Blood Textures 3_5d-60-3-5d.7z (05A4DD10) (Installed)
++ 022 - Skyrim Ultra HD Texture Pack-35507-1-6.7z (474020C2) (Installed)
++ 023 - aMidianBorn book of silence_ARMORS-24909-1-9.7z (BF2B7C46) (Installed)
++ 024 - aMidianBorn book of silence_Creatures-24909-1-9.7z (B2D92C56) (Installed)
++ 025 - aMidianBorn book of silence_DRAGONBORN DLC-24909-1-9.7z (71E76650) (Installed)
++ 026 - aMidianBorn book of silence_UNIQUE ITEMS-24909-1-9.7z (91F35688) (Installed)
++ 027 - aMidianBorn book of silence_WEAPONS-24909-1-9.7z (C36216F7) (Installed)
++ 028 - aMidianBorn - Content Addon-24909-1-2.7z (58DF9BEF) (Installed)
++ 029 - Skyforge Hotfix-24909-1-9.zip (A1419B5A) (Installed)
++ 030 - Bonemold Hotfix-24909-1-9.zip (56FE5A83) (Installed)
++ 031 - SMIM v1-61-8655-1-61.7z (9AEF91E8) (Installed)
++ 032 - SMIM Meshes-27043-0-4-2.7z (8F88631F) (Installed)
++ 033 - SMIM Update to 1-62d from 1-61-8655-1-62.7z (17DCF414) (Installed)
++ 034 - Skyrim Flora Overhaul Regular Edition v191-141-1-91.7z (7EA901F8) (Installed)
++ 035 - Project Parallax Vanilla 1-3-40512-1-3.7z (3BE4F4F6) (Installed)
++ 036 - Realistic Landscape 2K-38539-0-70.7z (1C951016) (Installed)
++ 037 - Realistic Snow 2K-38539-0-70.7z (C4067F3B) (Installed)
++ 038 - Ruins_Clutter_Improved_v2-6-14227-2-6.7z (11B481CB) (Installed)
++ 039 - jewels of the nord - high res-27038-1-2.7z (3FE4E4CF) (Installed)
++ 040 - A Quality World Map Installer-4929.7z (22334214) (Installed)
++ 041 - Improved NPC Clothing_1_8_1-2674.7z (7F24D607) (Installed)
++ 042 - INPCC_Expansion pack_1_1-2674.7z (05655D76) (Installed)
++ 043 - Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2 Glow Version -18799-2-0.7z (11693246) (Installed)
++ 044 - Real Ice_Azur Glacier Pack-5388.7z (AD6CEFA4) (Installed)
++ 045 - WIC Cloaks 2_3-13486-2-3.7z (9397D5FB) (Installed)
046 - ==Game Changers==
++ 047 - SkyRe_1301-9286-1-3-01.7z (C48E868D) (Installed)
++ 048 - Frostfall 2_5 Release-11163-2-5.7z (CBEABBD8) (Installed)
++ 049 - Immersive Patrols Manual Installer-12977-1-7-7.7z (268A0CBA) (Installed)
++ 050 - Skyrim Immersive Creatures v6_5_2 NMM BAIN-24913-v6-5-2.7z (F6B21D48) (Installed)
++ 051 - SkyMoMod-V12.7z (26DE94EE) (Installed)
++ 052 - SkyFalls and SkyMills FOMOD-BAIN Installer-40564-3-2.7z (0B2A5521) (Installed)
++ 053 - Death Cam Duration Options.7z (E766EAF4) (Installed)
++ 054 - Customizable Camera 1_82-37347-1-82.7z (DF2168F6) (Installed)
055 - ==Weather and Lighting==
++ 056 - 0_Pure Waters 4-6 Legendary-1111-4-6.7z (4C38BFD2) (Installed)
++ 057 - MintyLightningModV23-15506-23-0.7z (BD03054F) (Installed)
++ 058 - Relighting Skyrim-17609-3-5b.7z (60273DBD) (Installed)
++ 061 - ELE - Weekend Release v49.7z (6599FC65) (Installed)
++ 062 - Footprints v0_99-22745-0-99.7z (89D631F5) (Installed)
++ 063 - Wet and Cold v1_321-27563-1-321.7z (9E2B5245) (Installed)
064 - ==Character==
++ 069 - Sweet and Sexy Lingerie 3-0-25389-3-0.7z (DFE0F283) (Installed)
++ 070 - Babettes Feast Balanced-5816-1-1.7z (7F626E09) (Installed)
++ 071 - ApachiiSkyHair_v_1_5_Full-10168-1-5-Full.7z (3A7DC9BD) (Installed)
++ 072 - XCE-1_13-2356-1-13.7z (09B4B0CC) (Installed)
++ 073 - Caliente Female Body Mod BBE v3-2-2666-3-2-3.7z (75046B13) (Installed)
++ 074 - First Person 1_6-49036-1-6.7z (265A2F1A) (Installed)
++ 075 - Dragon Priest Circlets with Aetherial Crown Complete-38319-6-0.7z (049FE310) (Installed)
++ 076 - magebackpack-31191-1-0.7z (5B595D46) (Installed)
++ 077 - No sneak attack sound-11085-1-0.7z (814BE044) (Installed)
++ 078 - Deadly Dragons package v6-3-5-3829-6-3-5.7z (0552506E) (Installed)
++ 079 - Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2 -12092-1-2.7z (F50EDAFD) (Installed)
++ 080 - Colored Map Markers Updated - for skyUI v4_1-19023-1-7-0.7z (08697739) (Installed)
++ 081 - aKiller Keos Skimpy CBBE Armor Replacer V6-6-8-3654-6-6-8.7z (1E1401C8) (Installed)
++ 082 - TERA Armors CBBE by frigus-29411-1-3.7z (D3341432) (Installed)
083 - ==Sound==
++ 084 - Sounds of Skyrim - The Wilds 1_13 Full Version-10886-1-13.7z (D62C5705) (Installed)
++ 085 - Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization 1_02 Full Version-20193-1-02.7z (BF58E230) (Installed)
++ 086 - Sounds of Skyrim - The Dungeons Full 1_23-8601-1-23.7z (7D7AAAA7) (Installed)
++ 087 - SoS ELEPatch -48691-1-0.7z (1DD8D4A9) (Installed)
088 - ==Immersion==
++ 089 - Unread Books Glow v2_2_0-10012-2-2-0.7z (3B62C243) (Installed)
++ 090 - Convenient Horses v5_0-14950-5-0.7z (DC04DF81) (Installed)
++ 091 - Imps More Complex Needs v0_31-10639-0-31.7z (47D5392E) (Installed)
++ 092 - Drinking Fountains of Skyrim-24282-1-2.7z (DCFF500A) (Installed)
++ 093 - Glowing Ore Veins 300 2_00-193-1.7z (9A99E91D) (Installed)
094 - ==possibly not doing==
104 - ==Fixes==
++ 105 - Skyrim_Particle_Patch_for_ENB.7z (8541D2C8) (Installed)
107 - ==Programs==
++ 108 - ReProccer_25-28467-2-5.7z (4436B08F) (Installed)
++ 109 - MemoryBlockLog-50471-1-2.7z (F4C4EB1F) (Installed)
133 - ==Last==
++ 134 - Body and face normal maps CBBE-32986-1-0.7z (3B712B50) (Installed)
++ 135 - Body and face texture CBBE-32986-1-1.7z (EBE05E1E) (Installed)
++ 136 - 2 - Sporty CBBE - Athletic muscle map v3-2 fix-13377-1-02fix.7z (BDADE3A7) (Installed)

Active Mod Files:

00  Skyrim.esm
01  ApachiiHair.esm
02  Update.esm
03  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.2a]
04  Dawnguard.esm
05  SkyMoMod.esm
06  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1a]
07  HearthFires.esm
08  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
09  Dragonborn.esm
0A  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
0B  Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.5]<<<<see BAIN package 1 is the 3 DLC's...
0C  ELE-FX Emittance.esp
0D  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp
++  NordicSkaalHeavyFalmerWeightFix.esp
0E  RelightingSkyrim.esp
0F  Convenient Horses.esp
10  DeadlyDragons.esp
11  Death Cam Duration Options.esp
12  DeadlyMonsters.esp
13  SkyRe_Main.esp
14  Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons v2.0.esp
15  ELE-Weathers.esp
16  FISS.esp
17  FlameAtronachArmor.esp
18  Footprints.esp
++  FullBootForKKSA.esp
19  ELE-Spell and Torch Lighting.esp
1A  ELE Plugin - RS Light Color.esp
1B  iHUD.esp
1C  ImmersiveFP.esp
1D  Lock Overhaul.esp
1E  SkyUI.esp
1F  AchieveThat.esp
20  Customizable Camera.esp
21  Relighting Skyrim - Dawnguard.esp
22  mintylightningmod.esp
23  NoSneakAttackSound.esp
24  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
25  RaceMenu.esp
26  EpisodeParallax.esp
27  Relighting Skyrim - Update.esp
28  ELE-Interior Lighting.esp
29  ELE-Light Bulbs Interior.esp
2A  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.5.2]
2B  ELE DG-Light Bulbs Interior.esp
2C  ELE-Light Bulbs Exterior.esp
2D  aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp
++  SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp  [Version v6.1.2]
2E  SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
2F  SkyRe_Survivalism.esp
30  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp
31  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.13]
32  ELE-Weather Addition.esp
33  SoS - Civilization.esp  [Version 1.02]
34  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.5.2]
35  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.23]
36  ELE DG-Interior Lighting.esp
37  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
38  Relighting Skyrim - Dragonborn.esp
39  SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
3A  ELE DB-Interior Lighting.esp
3B  Immersive Dragonborn.esp
3C  dD-DG-DB-MM-SiC EBT Patch.esp
3D  SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp
3E  SoS-ELEPatch.esp
3F  ELE-FX Effects Interior.esp
40  MageBackpack_byTumbajamba.esp
41  SFO - Expanded Diversity.esp
42  Cloaks.esp
43  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]
44  DragonBornCircletsWithCrown.esp
45  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]
46  Relighting Skyrim - HearthFire.esp
47  ELE HF-Interior Lighting.esp
48  SkyRe_StandingStones.esp
49  Imp's More Complex Needs.esp  [Version 0.31]
4A  Chesko_Frostfall.esp
4B  Purewaters.esp
4C  SkyRe_Races.esp
4D  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
4E  Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
4F  Immersive Battles.esp
50  Immersive Travelers.esp
51  Immersive Patrols.esp
52  Immersive Mercenaries.esp
53  Immersive Dawnguard.esp
54  Immersive Werewolves.esp
55  Immersive Brigands.esp
56  IMCN - Hearthfire.esp
57  BabettesFeast - IMCN.esp
58  IMCN - Dragonborn.esp
59  IMCN - Dawnguard.esp
5A  IMCN - Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp
5B  ELE-Special Lighting.esp
5C  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp
5D  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
5E  Sweet&Sexy Lingerie.esp
5F  Equipping Overhaul.esp
60  SkyRe_Combat.esp
61  Immersive Factions.esp
62  SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp
63  TakeNotes.esp
64  TERAArmors_CBBE.esp
65  UnreadBooksGlow.esp  [Version 2.2.0]
66  WetandCold.esp
67  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
68  ReProccer.esp


In case anyone does actually look into the Spoilers...yes i do have the Patch for the Official HD dlc's and the actual ESP's don't look like they are in ...but i do have the textures loading as a BAIN package, so WRYE can track the conflicts for me. I see that in Step you also do this and you use an optimized version, think this is something i would also like to try (optimized textures) in my game.
I did have Cot and Lights an FX in that save but removed them for a Lighting and weather mod found on the ENB dev site. Thinking this was what led to the crashes (removal of Scripted MODS) but ....ELE wants ..Relighting Skyrim so i switched them out.
I didn't really want to give this all up , but if i have to i will, can i just add in what i have missed in my downloading to get closer to a STEP install or would it really be necessary to start over?? As this took a month or so of reading read-me's and adding one mod at a time, starting and running around. Using Speedmult i can traverse the entire map for an hour at 900 but at 1500 i stall and crash after about 15 mins. is there a better test? As i figure i will play this for years. Played FCOM till Skyrims release and that character probably had 1000's of hours vested.

Sigh....re reading this post i realize a few  things....before i even post it ....1) posting about not following what you have layed out is not wise....2) figure anyone reading this is gonna think...Idiot just start over.. 3) im gonna have to start over...
Think i need to just read this all over again, and will more then likely answer my own questions. Hi again. thanks for having a Forum one can ask silly questions in!!

Stubborn old guy.......wants to just use Wrye.

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1. STEP: Core mods are the ones with the green bars. So yes.


2. STEP: Extended mods are the ones with no green bars. They are also included in the mod list on the STEP 2.2.8 wiki page, yes.


3. STEP: Core is meant to be a general enhancement of Skyrim, eliminating bugs, adding features, and enhancing the graphics while remaining true to the original vanilla feel of Skyrim. It does not significantly overhaul the leveling experience, perks, experience gain, monsters, quests, etc. etc. There is a nice page explaining what STEP is meant to do but the link eludes me at the moment.


If you want to install STEP, in my opinion, you should ditch Wrye Bash and use Mod Organizer. Mod Organizer makes installing STEP and other mods extremely easy once you learn how it works and what it can do. It also helps game stability and results in less bugs due to the unique Virtual Filing System and priority sorting system that it uses.


IMO, before installing STEP, you really should create a clean install of Skyrim, guide here: https://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Make_Skyrim_Vanilla_Again I followed this guide and it worked perfectly, no need to re-download any of the stuff from Steam, quite a timesaver.

Edited by macabre

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old dog new tricks....

6-7 years of using only wrye bash to mod all Bethesda game is going to take some doing on my part, as even tho everyone says use MO, but then in next breath also say ..but you still have to use Bash (for the patch) but i will give MO a shot.

Thanks for the link to that "Vanilla" clean process of Skyrim i liked this part at the end..

Optional: this procedure ensures that you have a stable Vanilla installation.

  • Start a new game
  • Skip through the tutorial level, up to leaving the cave, by ignoring combat or using God Mode (enter "tgm" in the console). (This is just a test, so don't bother setting up your character.)
  • Once you've completed the tutorial (when Ralof/Hadvar tells you to head to Riverwood), enter the following in the console:
    • "tmm 1" - Unlocks all map locations
    • "psb" - Unlocks all spells and shouts
    • "player.modav dragonsouls 100" - Gives 100 Dragon Souls
    • Activate all your shouts.
  • Fast travel to any location you'd like (preferably main cities) and try out various spells and shouts. Basically, give the game a little stress test by wreaking havoc to make sure everything's solid.

Ya that could stirr up a few locals, wonder whats the best place...markarth? Whiterun?

I am guessing i could also just "COC riverwood" from the main menu (as that just gives you a default character) and then use the other commands.

The more i am reading i see the point of using MO so will give this a shot. I was reading another WIKI page "Skyrim Legendary edition" that sounded closer to what i was going for , Still need to learn TESVEdit as i know i will wander outside the lines after a CORE setup.

Sigh ..and i already spent a month of reading read-me's on my weekends....soo wish i had found this earlier. And a 37 GB Skyrim folder...about to Pooof.

thanks again.

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Doing all that now...the clean was easy and quick...the Verify was quick...teh ZIP of the Skyrim folder...not quick...lol

Thanks again i did cave and will be following the guide using MO.

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