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Just having a "Look here" for detailed information is a godsend for helping out and moderation!

Hence why I made my "guide" on how to identify individual missing textures.... it just does get tedious to repeat yourself over and over. The first few times you optimize your responses, but at some point it would just be easier to say.

Especially like if what you need the user to do is somewhat technical! (Like finding individual textures actually is!)

 

This is also another reason why I am looking with interest on how you setup shop... so to speak.

I do not think I have the most efficient way of helping out people in all cases, and I like the way this is starting to look as a source of inspiration!

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Know what you mean posts like that take a lot of effort to produce, thought effort, one finger typing is so slow and I'm terrible Typist, My spelling is exellent, but if I never redid my typos you would not think so, It makes me rethink and read what I've written which is good as my brain is mainly on the next paragraph to what I actually type.

I'm not actually playing Skyrim I've Not even played Dragonborn or Dawnguard yet. I'm saving them for Neovalen to finish Skyrim Revisited and I've loads of games. I could not play latest game for years when my old pentium 4 packed up

I got this end of April after years of saving money for it

Scan 3XS Vengeance i7 3770K (4.6Ghz) Crossfired XFX (3GB) Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition DD Customised Gaming System

My New Elder Scrolls Modding Ice Breathing Dovah (Because it Runs Cooler than My Fridge - The 3 Monitors are the Fire Breathers)

 

 

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Still it's good to have my Dovah it eats al them Only Crysis 3 and Meto Last Light make it sweat otherwise it does feel colder than fridge

 

Back on topic we'll get it all sorted eventually

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You know I normally say the text is too large if I can read it without glasses :D (-7ish on both eyes! ) (I always forget if its + or -... the one where ya cant read a book! :P )

 

But yeah back to topic! :D

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Holy Text Attack, Batman!  My eyesight was alright until I opened that post!

 

Let's tone it down a bit - that really is unreadable. ;)

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Sorry for all obsessive Stat details, was cut and paste of a PC build site post, where they demand such details, I made to show what I'd decided to get built, while wating for it.

Not something I follow closely unless I'm actually buying PC or components at time.

I just changed colour of Names to make easier to pick out from stats.

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wolverine2710 Wrote:

 

When I try to explain something its hard for me to leave out details because I think that information is needed. But is it? Do users really care about that kind of stuff I wonder?

I have a humble suggestion to your conundrum. It will require some time, luck and a willing volunteer.

 

My suggestion is this: find a Mod Organizer user who is between Uhuru's Group 1 and 2. So not someone who just wants MO to work, but is also in the process of investigating how it works. That user does not yet have a full understanding of how MO works. I know this is a fine line, but bear with me.

 

Should you be lucky enough to find that user, then you would take a piece of MO functionality and ask them to explain it to you. Their level of knowledge would be good enough for them to give the correct answer, but nothing too in depth. You could then be assured that the answer is sufficient for Group 1 users, and then you could fill in the nitty gritty details for Groups 2 and 3 in a link (e.g. "Want to know more? Click here", type link).

 

I know this is a tall order, but I'm just thinking out loud. 

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Would just mean that someone would have to make up a decent questionnaire... but those are mighty tricky to do properly, and even when they are done properly you need to have a plan on what to use the answers for.

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@Aiyen:

 

Well, yes and no. I doesn't necessarily have to be a questionnaire. Separate pieces of functionality could be grouped thematically, and every once in a while, the volunteer would have to produce a series of bullet point explanations, for each piece. This information would be used as a guide for Group 1, whereas the MO specialists (Group 3) will produce the myriad details, built on top of those answers. 

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@humbye. I REALLY like your idea but there practical issues. Double you's MO sandbox which as of the 27th (very nice day btw) has been moved to the live MO wiki needs to be filled in first. After that, which will take at least multiple weeks if not more, we can look into it. I currently don't know how to setup the wiki in such a way that it would contain both the 'bullet point' answers and the 'myriad details' answers. Restructuring the wiki later on is not a problem as long as its says 'WIP, warning volatile'.

 

Having a wiki which is concise, to the point, understandable for the average users and still has all the nitty gritty details for the power users and which can be used as a reference would be great. I have to admit that.

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@Wolverine:

 

I realized the practical issues involved as soon as I thought of this idea. I just wrote it as something that can be considered and maybe built upon.

 

As for combining both the bullet points and the in depth information, how about having one of those spoiler buttons that readers can expand or contract. Uhuru has one which contains his pc's specs (if I'm not mistaken). Obviously, it would have a different tag like "More Info" or "Details"; something like that.

 

That way, on one page you could have all the information: the bullet points for the average user, who can skip over the "More Info" sections, and expandable details sections for those who want it.

 

Again, just a thought.

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I always appreciate ppl who try to make things better (for MO). I really don't know if there is such thing as 'spoiler tags' in the wiki. Doubleyou probably knows this. Even if its exists it will be a challenge to write the texts so that this 'fits'. Though certainly certainly something to consider (for the future). I would be glad if the wiki is nicely filled to start with. If you look at the original MO wiki and the one which is live now DoubleYou certainly has put a lot of work and love into this.

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I'm thinking subforum for Technically advanced discuussion but main Wiki page as an All User guide with each topic linking to Advanced Information Page

 

On my phone with very bad UI I hate using so forgive layout and brief reply

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There are no spoiler tags on the wiki as far as I know. There should not be a need for spoilers on the wiki, however, if we format it correctly. Generally speaking, we would answer the question quickly in the first sentence, which should be short and to the point. After that, additional info can be added in subsequent sentences. Most people will never read the entire wiki; it's too large. My goal is for people to be able to find what they need to find in a glance and answer it quickly so they can go back to modding Skyrim. If they find the answer in the first sentence, they needn't read the second sentences. If they do need to read the subsequent sentences, I put big warning signs and notices up to catch their attention.

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I have copied the info of Humbye and my comments to the MO wiki, see the Priorities tab. I have also added a 'BSA Priorities' section there.

 

I invite everyone to change the  information if they feel something is missing, too long, the format/structure is incorrect. Everyone can edit the wiki and is encouraged to do so.

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Hi,

Long time MO user, I'm facing a little problem to set up a specific load order I want in MO :

(right panel)

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My goal is to put the priority of "Correctif.esp" (the French equivalent of the Unofficial Patch) just in front of the "Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp" as it should be according to the creators team.

MO wont let me do that : apparently you can't drag'n and drop "regular plugins" in the middle of the "bold section" plugins : they are kept isolated.

Which, don't get me wrong should be fine most of the time.

 

But this lead me to wonder how MO does recognize and "tag" those priority plugins ? Is the information contained in the plugin itself ?

Originally I tought that only .esm master files would be isolated like that. But here we have also "Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp".

 

Other loads orders software, such as the Skyrim Launcher seems to allow such ordering.

 

 

I'm aware that this is probably an automatic safe restricting functionality for ordering, but in this specific case, the "Correctif.esp" should be considered as "bold", and allow me to order it alongside the bold plugin segment.

I tried to manually edit the profile txt files, but with no effect.

 

Basically i'm looking for either "untagging" the USP files as not bold, or let Correctif.esp join this "priority group".

 

 

 

Apologies, my not-so-fluid English does not allow to make my posts  as concise as I would like them to be Smile.

Thanks.

 

 

EDIT : Sorry I did realize after posting that this wiki thread may well be not the optimal place to ask such questions, I have not yet the right to delete the post so I leave it there. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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